WEBVTT 00:02.176 --> 00:04.759 (bright music) 00:35.970 --> 00:36.803 Hello everyone. 00:36.803 --> 00:37.636 Jess Steinbrook here 00:37.636 --> 00:39.330 with Invisible Disabilities Association, 00:39.330 --> 00:43.440 and we are here for the InVisible InCourage Program, 00:43.440 --> 00:45.600 and I'm so honored and blessed today 00:45.600 --> 00:47.730 to have Bianca Lopes with me. 00:47.730 --> 00:48.563 Hello, Bianca. 00:48.563 --> 00:49.702 How are you doing? 00:49.702 --> 00:50.820 I'm great, Jess. 00:50.820 --> 00:52.980 I'm honored and grateful as well. 00:52.980 --> 00:56.043 Yes, and she did reveal to me that, 00:57.090 --> 01:00.750 she's in an area where it's dark for six months at a time, 01:00.750 --> 01:02.670 so, we wanna lift her up, 01:02.670 --> 01:05.566 give her a little bit of light in the conversation here. 01:05.566 --> 01:09.570 Bianca, I know a little bit about you 01:09.570 --> 01:14.550 and again, we've talked briefly about some of your passions 01:14.550 --> 01:16.050 and business background, 01:16.050 --> 01:19.022 but I really want you to describe kind of, 01:19.022 --> 01:21.030 how you grew up a little bit, 01:21.030 --> 01:25.740 where it led you to and why you are who you are today 01:25.740 --> 01:30.210 as far as how people see you as as a business leader. 01:30.210 --> 01:33.240 And then we'll get into some deeper discussions, 01:33.240 --> 01:34.073 about passion. 01:34.073 --> 01:35.280 How's that? 01:35.280 --> 01:36.480 Sounds good. 01:36.480 --> 01:40.260 So, I'm from Brazil originally. 01:40.260 --> 01:43.230 I was raised in Rio by my parents, 01:43.230 --> 01:44.310 who were both doctors 01:44.310 --> 01:48.150 who I would say have dealt with their fair share 01:48.150 --> 01:49.740 of visible and invisible disabilities, 01:49.740 --> 01:50.790 through their growing up. 01:50.790 --> 01:52.590 I grew up with a grandmother 01:52.590 --> 01:56.040 who was probably my greatest hero, who has polio. 01:56.040 --> 01:58.710 And when I was one of the first women, 01:58.710 --> 01:59.613 an interesting thing that she told me 01:59.613 --> 02:03.480 that I'll never forget is that she wore pants, 02:03.480 --> 02:04.650 because she had scars 02:04.650 --> 02:07.080 and she had to wear equipment under her, 02:07.080 --> 02:08.340 like legs and stuff. 02:08.340 --> 02:10.500 And back in the day she wore pants 02:10.500 --> 02:14.550 and then she divorced my grandfather because he was cheating 02:14.550 --> 02:15.870 and kicked him outta the house. 02:15.870 --> 02:18.330 So she's like, I wear pants, I'm divorced 02:18.330 --> 02:20.040 and I'm a mother of four. 02:20.040 --> 02:23.550 So, that's how I grew up with a family of lots of people, 02:23.550 --> 02:24.663 lots of love, 02:25.830 --> 02:27.750 lots of different levels of visible 02:27.750 --> 02:29.370 and invisible disabilities. 02:29.370 --> 02:32.673 So, it was kind of always there for me. 02:34.620 --> 02:36.773 I ended up, 02:36.773 --> 02:40.770 I wanted to be an actress when I was a child. 02:40.770 --> 02:42.540 And I think it was like, 02:42.540 --> 02:46.623 because I had some sort of need for attention maybe. 02:47.460 --> 02:50.640 But one thing I used to say as a child, 02:50.640 --> 02:51.750 getting quite personal here, 02:51.750 --> 02:54.690 but one thing I used to say as a child is 02:54.690 --> 02:56.010 it used to come from my lungs 02:56.010 --> 02:57.660 that my purpose came from my lungs, 02:57.660 --> 02:59.760 it came from the air that I breathe. 02:59.760 --> 03:01.680 So, as I kind of went through life, 03:01.680 --> 03:05.160 I look at it as I've made a lot of intentional choices 03:05.160 --> 03:08.130 that led me to who people will Google on LinkedIn 03:08.130 --> 03:09.060 and see who they are, 03:09.060 --> 03:11.100 who I am perceived today. 03:11.100 --> 03:13.320 I started at a very young age, 03:13.320 --> 03:16.320 wanting to go pursue education abroad, 03:16.320 --> 03:18.330 because I knew my path. 03:18.330 --> 03:21.570 I had this, I had bought into the American Dream 03:21.570 --> 03:24.390 and I wanted to go study abroad. 03:24.390 --> 03:26.640 So, at the bold age of 17, 03:26.640 --> 03:30.240 I picked up my things and I left and went to Canada. 03:30.240 --> 03:33.720 My English was pretty poor at the time. 03:33.720 --> 03:35.220 I spoke really great French 03:35.220 --> 03:37.890 and I moved to Vancouver to go to school 03:37.890 --> 03:42.480 and spent the past then 12 years in Canada, 03:42.480 --> 03:44.430 started as wanting to be a diplomat. 03:44.430 --> 03:47.370 So, I took this idea that an actress could travel 03:47.370 --> 03:48.840 and meet people to, 03:48.840 --> 03:51.030 I'm gonna be a diplomat and change the world, 03:51.030 --> 03:52.410 and fight world hunger 03:52.410 --> 03:54.390 and get the people off the streets in Brazil. 03:54.390 --> 03:55.830 That it was really common for me to see 03:55.830 --> 03:57.450 as a child growing up, 03:57.450 --> 03:59.500 but I have never become accustomed to it, 04:01.290 --> 04:04.363 which kind of talks a little bit of a purpose there too. 04:04.363 --> 04:06.192 Yeah, I went from that, 04:06.192 --> 04:07.025 sorry. 04:07.025 --> 04:08.880 I think from, well, from a personality standpoint, 04:08.880 --> 04:11.130 I don't think you should ever be comfortable 04:11.130 --> 04:13.920 with homelessness and things like that. 04:13.920 --> 04:15.793 No, so I hear you. 04:15.793 --> 04:16.626 I agree. 04:16.626 --> 04:19.860 I think that the suffering of anybody else 04:19.860 --> 04:22.320 as a humankind should be our bar 04:22.320 --> 04:26.940 to have we become so numb that we are living life not awake. 04:26.940 --> 04:29.910 And I think my process has been of me slowly waking up 04:29.910 --> 04:32.700 to find this authentic true self. 04:32.700 --> 04:35.580 Like today, I'm a professional in identity and data. 04:35.580 --> 04:39.480 Today I'm a co-founder of a company called Tale. 04:39.480 --> 04:44.480 The company tells stories and it has a pause symbol. 04:44.790 --> 04:47.130 And I actually started the company two years ago, 04:47.130 --> 04:49.740 and one of our clients, which is HSBC, 04:49.740 --> 04:52.170 said to me, "They're like, did you quite literally mean it?" 04:52.170 --> 04:55.657 I was like, "Yeah, it might have been manifesting so hard 04:55.657 --> 04:58.560 "that it put the whole world in pause." 04:58.560 --> 05:01.560 And it was interesting because our manifesto 05:01.560 --> 05:05.760 and what we wrote is that I had spent the past 10 years, 05:05.760 --> 05:07.710 before starting Talle two years ago, 05:07.710 --> 05:10.230 working in the financial services industry. 05:10.230 --> 05:14.010 So, working between technologists, legislators, 05:14.010 --> 05:15.570 like regulators and the bank. 05:15.570 --> 05:17.460 I had been a banker for years 05:17.460 --> 05:20.550 and then I had run as the CIO of a biometric company, 05:20.550 --> 05:23.190 which is where I found identity, 05:23.190 --> 05:26.970 the definition of identity on a technical front. 05:26.970 --> 05:29.520 And I realized that people had no idea 05:29.520 --> 05:31.050 what any of them meant. 05:31.050 --> 05:34.200 All of us spoke this beautiful gibberish 05:34.200 --> 05:38.970 and it was almost from this place of fundamental fear. 05:38.970 --> 05:40.890 And hey, I believe fear is a good thing. 05:40.890 --> 05:42.060 It teaches you things. 05:42.060 --> 05:43.980 It's trying to tell you something, 05:43.980 --> 05:45.300 but it shouldn't define you. 05:45.300 --> 05:48.450 And it defines the industry because we've never advanced. 05:48.450 --> 05:49.440 So, when I started Talle, 05:49.440 --> 05:51.510 I started with the purpose of saying, 05:51.510 --> 05:53.370 financial services did a pretty crap job 05:53.370 --> 05:55.710 at explaining to people money, I think. 05:55.710 --> 05:56.730 I think as a society, 05:56.730 --> 06:00.750 we've at a deep core level failed at explaining to people 06:00.750 --> 06:05.750 how the unit of value was to be dictating their lives 06:06.208 --> 06:09.030 and including them or excluding them. 06:09.030 --> 06:13.530 And I look at technology as this new unit of value 06:13.530 --> 06:18.390 or potential for breaking barriers that if not explained, 06:18.390 --> 06:23.390 if not understood at a deep, non-complicated human level, 06:23.970 --> 06:25.980 it won't serve its full purpose. 06:25.980 --> 06:29.490 It's almost like somebody who spends their whole life 06:29.490 --> 06:33.000 in fear and not understanding 06:33.000 --> 06:34.590 and doesn't live to their true potential. 06:34.590 --> 06:35.790 I genuinely think that. 06:35.790 --> 06:39.240 So, my entire company brings, 06:39.240 --> 06:41.376 what I say, the two sides of the brain. 06:41.376 --> 06:46.376 We have half creative team and a half technical team. 06:46.500 --> 06:49.530 So, we take the technical stuff that's really hard, 06:49.530 --> 06:52.350 like data, identity, cryptography, 06:52.350 --> 06:56.013 and we explain in a very creative, human, 06:57.090 --> 06:59.850 empathetic, real way. 06:59.850 --> 07:01.890 And that's how most people will have seen me, 07:01.890 --> 07:05.160 through the videos and through the content that we create 07:05.160 --> 07:07.620 with that purpose in mind 07:07.620 --> 07:11.010 of how do I reconnect people back to this thing, 07:11.010 --> 07:13.650 called technology and not scare them, 07:13.650 --> 07:16.203 which I think a lot of things do today. 07:17.670 --> 07:19.980 Thanks for sharing all of that. 07:19.980 --> 07:23.340 And what I love about it is, again, having, 07:23.340 --> 07:25.980 where I was drawn to speak 07:25.980 --> 07:29.134 and meet with you really was, 07:29.134 --> 07:34.134 a few weeks ago you had kind of put out this passionate, 07:36.420 --> 07:37.470 I'm gonna call it the, 07:37.470 --> 07:40.020 we can't settle for the new normal talk. 07:40.020 --> 07:41.674 I hate the new normal. 07:41.674 --> 07:43.650 There's nothing normal. 07:43.650 --> 07:44.790 You're exactly right. 07:44.790 --> 07:46.470 There's nothing normal about this. 07:46.470 --> 07:47.303 There's nothing normal. 07:47.303 --> 07:49.440 We need to just stop calling it normal. 07:49.440 --> 07:51.900 And if it is normal, can we just not do that again? 07:51.900 --> 07:53.520 Because that wasn't okay. 07:53.520 --> 07:55.290 That didn't land us new way. 07:55.290 --> 07:57.540 I'm glad, you watched the video. 07:57.540 --> 07:58.373 Yeah. 07:58.373 --> 08:01.470 So, that was a very powerful statement 08:01.470 --> 08:06.470 that again drew me to getting together with you to say, 08:07.080 --> 08:08.820 there's so much passion 08:08.820 --> 08:11.790 and I love the way that what you've done 08:11.790 --> 08:15.660 is you've really taken your passion 08:15.660 --> 08:20.420 and connected it to this experience and life force, 08:22.080 --> 08:24.840 if you will, that has driven you through, 08:24.840 --> 08:26.970 all of these big business things. 08:26.970 --> 08:30.510 I mean, banks and the biometrics 08:30.510 --> 08:33.630 and I mean, literally crucial critical things 08:33.630 --> 08:37.053 that will impact our culture completely. 08:38.010 --> 08:40.440 And yet there's this other side that you're seeing 08:40.440 --> 08:42.510 that's the most important side 08:42.510 --> 08:44.670 of the human interaction on that. 08:44.670 --> 08:45.503 Yeah. 08:45.503 --> 08:48.870 And so, I mean, why, 08:48.870 --> 08:51.270 and I mean, your conversation about, 08:51.270 --> 08:52.770 we need financial literacy. 08:52.770 --> 08:54.359 Oh my gosh, yes, we do. 08:54.359 --> 08:55.192 Yeah. 08:55.192 --> 08:57.120 Yeah, yes, okay? 08:57.120 --> 08:59.520 Oh my gosh, we still do it wrong, yep. 08:59.520 --> 09:01.770 Yeah and again, my question to you is how can I help? 09:01.770 --> 09:04.530 I mean, I don't know if you know my other background is, 09:04.530 --> 09:06.540 if you look and here's the, 09:06.540 --> 09:08.760 you talked about the Google search thing. 09:08.760 --> 09:10.140 I try not to Google search. 09:10.140 --> 09:10.973 I really don't. 09:10.973 --> 09:13.770 I wanna meet in-person and I wanna do this is. 09:13.770 --> 09:15.930 As a matter of fact, if I get on the phone with somebody, 09:15.930 --> 09:17.370 the first thing I'll say is, 09:17.370 --> 09:19.620 please, let's not Google each other. 09:19.620 --> 09:21.660 Let's just have coffee and hang out 09:21.660 --> 09:23.370 and do it the old fashioned way, right? 09:23.370 --> 09:25.740 Because I enjoy this, 09:25.740 --> 09:27.420 but sometimes you can't help yourself of, 09:27.420 --> 09:30.570 oh my gosh and this whole thing pours out. 09:30.570 --> 09:33.960 Well, a lot of people know me for my movies, my media. 09:33.960 --> 09:35.340 I mean, I have eight Emmy Awards, 09:35.340 --> 09:36.330 blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 09:36.330 --> 09:38.520 I don't brag about that. 09:38.520 --> 09:39.570 Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 09:39.570 --> 09:40.403 I love it. 09:40.403 --> 09:41.280 You call it blah, blah, blah. 09:41.280 --> 09:42.660 Call it soup letter. 09:42.660 --> 09:43.493 It's great. 09:43.493 --> 09:45.577 It's soup letters, that's very funny. 09:45.577 --> 09:48.270 It's like a bunch of like accolades. 09:48.270 --> 09:50.190 It's like drop the accolades. 09:50.190 --> 09:53.190 Like who are you as the human being? 09:53.190 --> 09:54.023 Yes, exactly. 09:54.023 --> 09:56.730 You collected those things, but like, who are you? 09:56.730 --> 10:01.320 Well, and I really see it as those are bonus items 10:01.320 --> 10:02.610 that help me open doors 10:02.610 --> 10:05.190 to go have the conversations I want to have. 10:05.190 --> 10:08.040 And so that's kind of how I look at you is that 10:08.040 --> 10:13.040 what great experience that you have leveraged into tale 10:13.830 --> 10:17.040 to be able to create and craft stories 10:17.040 --> 10:20.130 in such a way that changed people's lives. 10:20.130 --> 10:22.440 And so that's why I want to go kind of now 10:22.440 --> 10:27.343 is why and how do we get through this thing, 10:27.343 --> 10:31.620 given the differences that sometimes we think are important. 10:31.620 --> 10:32.790 And really, I mean, 10:32.790 --> 10:34.983 talk to me about that from your standpoint. 10:37.020 --> 10:39.420 How we get through life 10:39.420 --> 10:41.790 or how we get through making that change, 10:41.790 --> 10:43.387 is that the question? 10:43.387 --> 10:44.550 A little of both. 10:44.550 --> 10:46.127 Yeah, I mean, 10:46.127 --> 10:49.080 it's gonna come from your personal side 10:49.080 --> 10:51.690 of why it's so important to you now? 10:51.690 --> 10:55.050 And then yes, how do we get to that place 10:55.050 --> 10:59.460 from what you've seen in the industry and interacting. 10:59.460 --> 11:03.420 I mean, you have a global citizenship to you 11:03.420 --> 11:04.980 that many people don't have. 11:04.980 --> 11:08.670 I mean, some people, if I lived in Philly, 11:08.670 --> 11:11.220 I lived in Philly for a long time. 11:11.220 --> 11:13.830 And it took me a while to break out of there, right? 11:13.830 --> 11:15.570 So, but you have this different thing. 11:15.570 --> 11:18.420 So, from that experience, yes, 11:18.420 --> 11:22.620 how do we look at things differently to allow ourselves 11:22.620 --> 11:25.593 to understand and change in a good way? 11:27.060 --> 11:28.320 Here's my hope 11:28.320 --> 11:30.930 and here's how I have been trying 11:30.930 --> 11:33.810 to govern the relationships and the things I invest in. 11:33.810 --> 11:37.140 So, I'm vibing in the same sort of frequency 11:37.140 --> 11:39.240 as the people that believe in that, 11:39.240 --> 11:40.560 'cause I think that that's powerful. 11:40.560 --> 11:42.458 That's almost like reaction, right? 11:42.458 --> 11:46.905 That has an ignite an ignition capacity. 11:46.905 --> 11:48.270 As you've mentioned, 11:48.270 --> 11:52.080 I've been super privileged to have worked 11:52.080 --> 11:56.040 and have lived in completely different cultures, 11:56.040 --> 12:01.040 countries and seen the deep embedded values 12:01.620 --> 12:02.640 of some of those countries. 12:02.640 --> 12:04.440 The deep embedded legislation 12:04.440 --> 12:06.060 that surrounds a particular country 12:06.060 --> 12:08.640 that maybe sometimes people don't realize that, 12:08.640 --> 12:11.850 it maybe is why things are the way they are 12:11.850 --> 12:14.400 or maybe it's a part of why things are the way they're, 12:14.400 --> 12:17.550 I think the first thing I hope is that, 12:17.550 --> 12:20.310 pausing during this pandemic has made us realize 12:20.310 --> 12:23.220 how connected we truly are. 12:23.220 --> 12:24.960 Not in the, 12:24.960 --> 12:29.310 here's the FinTech or the technology trend number 102, 12:29.310 --> 12:30.780 Uber connectivity, blah. 12:30.780 --> 12:32.250 Like, that's not what I mean. 12:32.250 --> 12:35.370 I'm not talking about that and all the APIs and all that. 12:35.370 --> 12:37.010 I'm talking about the fact that 12:37.010 --> 12:41.040 if you make a bad move or if you infect somebody, 12:41.040 --> 12:43.020 what is the chain reaction of that? 12:43.020 --> 12:46.050 I think we've been reminded at a human level, 12:46.050 --> 12:48.180 what is the impact of our lives. 12:48.180 --> 12:52.260 And what I hope for is that has ignited a fire 12:52.260 --> 12:54.630 that has long been awake, 12:54.630 --> 12:57.060 but sort of dead and dormant inside of all of us, 12:57.060 --> 12:59.700 of being able to see things from what they are. 12:59.700 --> 13:01.140 You're in the states, 13:01.140 --> 13:04.410 obviously we've seen how polarized your country is 13:04.410 --> 13:06.210 from so many perspectives, 13:06.210 --> 13:09.210 but we've also seen people finally see other people 13:09.210 --> 13:12.280 and have conversations like Black Lives Matters, 13:12.280 --> 13:13.987 because we are finally saying, 13:13.987 --> 13:15.457 "Hey, we haven't seen this. 13:15.457 --> 13:18.577 "We haven't heard it enough, and we need to hear it, 13:18.577 --> 13:21.847 "because that human, whether they're a Black person, 13:21.847 --> 13:23.797 "a disabled person, or a whomever person, 13:23.797 --> 13:25.680 "however you identify," 13:25.680 --> 13:28.740 I think is at the core of where we need to be 13:28.740 --> 13:30.690 to make any change. 13:30.690 --> 13:33.360 And I see that on in the financial services sector, 13:33.360 --> 13:37.560 which is kind of a mini representation 13:37.560 --> 13:38.730 of an ecosystem, right? 13:38.730 --> 13:40.290 If you look at a big bank, 13:40.290 --> 13:41.520 they have their silos. 13:41.520 --> 13:43.110 They have their, 13:43.110 --> 13:44.584 they're divided. 13:44.584 --> 13:48.300 They have their own kingdoms and their own interests, 13:48.300 --> 13:50.520 and they often don't speak to each other 13:50.520 --> 13:52.290 or communicate properly. 13:52.290 --> 13:54.000 And that's why it's gonna get, 13:54.000 --> 13:56.040 that's why the death of them is eminent. 13:56.040 --> 13:58.530 That's why things like FinTech are coming about, 13:58.530 --> 14:01.920 because it's just proving that people right next to you, 14:01.920 --> 14:03.330 when they communicate, 14:03.330 --> 14:04.770 when they see each other, 14:04.770 --> 14:08.340 when they have a diverse perspective to create a product, 14:08.340 --> 14:10.200 they get further. 14:10.200 --> 14:11.850 It's not to say that the people in the bank 14:11.850 --> 14:13.170 are not capable of it, 14:13.170 --> 14:15.870 but if they don't realize that they're a unit 14:15.870 --> 14:17.760 and a functioning organism, 14:17.760 --> 14:20.970 not the sum of its parts, 14:20.970 --> 14:21.803 which I think is that, 14:21.803 --> 14:23.013 and I think it's just like, 14:23.013 --> 14:28.013 it's so almost religious and basic, 14:29.970 --> 14:32.985 and you call it from any religion 14:32.985 --> 14:34.860 you would read this, 14:34.860 --> 14:37.800 about sort of people being able to see the other person 14:37.800 --> 14:40.500 and see the other human there is there. 14:40.500 --> 14:42.660 I think that's at the core of what I do 14:42.660 --> 14:44.190 and what I believe in. 14:44.190 --> 14:46.500 And it pours into what I do by the fact 14:46.500 --> 14:48.400 that I don't genuinely think 14:49.380 --> 14:51.330 when you put your hand in a pillow, 14:51.330 --> 14:53.490 whether you're the CEO of Swift, 14:53.490 --> 14:56.460 that you care and remember what API 14:56.460 --> 14:59.280 or standard description was given to you. 14:59.280 --> 15:01.740 You remember the people that touched you along the way, 15:01.740 --> 15:03.960 the stories you've heard. 15:03.960 --> 15:07.793 And that's my contribution to this unity, 15:09.210 --> 15:13.740 to this being seen, being heard, being appreciated. 15:13.740 --> 15:16.740 And I think it's just like, we've messed that up pretty bad. 15:17.670 --> 15:19.530 We've messed that up pretty bad in society. 15:19.530 --> 15:21.780 And the influencer crap is just even worse. 15:21.780 --> 15:24.150 Like, it's just, we've messed it up pretty bad. 15:24.150 --> 15:25.050 Well, and it's interesting. 15:25.050 --> 15:26.430 I mean, that's a great segue 15:26.430 --> 15:29.580 to the conversation of invisible disabilities 15:29.580 --> 15:33.120 because yes, so many people don't have a voice, 15:33.120 --> 15:35.250 or when they try to have a voice, 15:35.250 --> 15:38.250 they're not heard, they're not believed. 15:38.250 --> 15:40.950 That's a big thing that we deal with all the time. 15:40.950 --> 15:45.570 And so until somebody actually believes that 15:45.570 --> 15:48.593 you're dealing with something that you can't see 15:48.593 --> 15:52.410 and it is very detrimental and difficult to get through 15:52.410 --> 15:54.870 for whatever reason, chronic pain or chronic illness 15:54.870 --> 15:56.553 or whatever it is, 15:57.900 --> 16:02.900 how do we engage in the networks 16:03.530 --> 16:05.850 that don't accept those kinds of things? 16:05.850 --> 16:07.350 How do we break through that? 16:07.350 --> 16:09.060 I mean, you and I have talked about, 16:09.060 --> 16:10.500 and I'll ask you too straight up, 16:10.500 --> 16:13.200 but from an identity standpoint, 16:13.200 --> 16:15.300 you as an identity expert, 16:15.300 --> 16:18.420 you've seen the IDs and the cards that we do 16:18.420 --> 16:22.740 that are worldwide and start this conversation of 16:22.740 --> 16:26.580 how can I help if it's just given a seat on a bus 16:26.580 --> 16:31.110 or I know my neighbor has something 16:31.110 --> 16:35.028 and they're older and I'm gonna go into the grocery store, 16:35.028 --> 16:37.380 what can I pick up for you kind of a thing. 16:37.380 --> 16:39.390 How do you see that? 16:39.390 --> 16:40.701 How do we engage that? 16:40.701 --> 16:43.890 I mean, I'm gonna take your analogies of, 16:43.890 --> 16:47.160 we need to pause, but what's next? 16:47.160 --> 16:50.430 How do you open that next door of what's happening? 16:50.430 --> 16:53.367 And why is this so important? 16:55.500 --> 16:57.220 I think its is important 16:59.400 --> 17:03.450 for which I can't see a future without us solving that. 17:03.450 --> 17:05.220 I see a very ugly future. 17:05.220 --> 17:09.360 I see a very filled with hate on barrier 17:09.360 --> 17:11.637 and is so less rich than it could be. 17:11.637 --> 17:13.500 And I think that's what bothers me. 17:13.500 --> 17:18.500 It's like if only we could just co-exist, 17:18.570 --> 17:20.010 like a forest ecosystem does. 17:20.010 --> 17:21.720 Like look how gorgeous it is. 17:21.720 --> 17:23.880 Like look how diverse it is. 17:23.880 --> 17:26.823 Look how there's enough for everybody. 17:28.680 --> 17:30.780 So, that's why I think it's important. 17:30.780 --> 17:32.100 How? 17:32.100 --> 17:33.390 I don't know. 17:33.390 --> 17:35.220 I think like things like this, 17:35.220 --> 17:37.713 honestly, I think they might seem, 17:38.550 --> 17:41.343 sometimes to business people often seem small. 17:42.420 --> 17:47.190 And to me is the change in every person that gets touched 17:47.190 --> 17:49.260 by something we said today, 17:49.260 --> 17:50.970 something that ignites in that person 17:50.970 --> 17:52.710 is gonna be the catalyst for that change. 17:52.710 --> 17:54.780 As an identity expert, 17:54.780 --> 17:58.410 I think your card is a great step in the right direction. 17:58.410 --> 18:00.270 I think there is a lot of, 18:00.270 --> 18:02.910 what I would urge is that the fashion industry, 18:02.910 --> 18:03.743 gets involved. 18:03.743 --> 18:04.590 What I would urge 18:04.590 --> 18:08.130 is that the cryptography industry gets involved 18:08.130 --> 18:13.130 and says, how can I put this sort of verifiable credential 18:14.670 --> 18:19.650 or self attributed credential of my invisible disability 18:19.650 --> 18:22.740 on a payment transaction 18:22.740 --> 18:27.060 or on a whatever sort of certification 18:27.060 --> 18:30.090 and authentication, which is the identity space I live in, 18:30.090 --> 18:33.630 is how can you prove you are you online? 18:33.630 --> 18:36.750 How can you prove you have an invisible disability? 18:36.750 --> 18:39.150 Who gets to say who that invisible disability is? 18:39.150 --> 18:40.470 The reason why I said the fashion industry 18:40.470 --> 18:42.900 is because I would think about, 18:42.900 --> 18:44.040 I don't wanna wear a card, 18:44.040 --> 18:46.650 because I don't like wearing any cards. 18:46.650 --> 18:50.340 So, but I'm probably not the only one. 18:50.340 --> 18:52.110 And how can the fashion industry 18:52.110 --> 18:53.340 and people that are creative 18:53.340 --> 18:55.920 and given a gift donate that gift 18:55.920 --> 18:58.440 to something that clearly needs it? 18:58.440 --> 19:00.270 I think that's the start of that change. 19:00.270 --> 19:04.320 I think what you're doing is the start of that. 19:04.320 --> 19:07.800 And then I think what we're gonna have to work on is, 19:07.800 --> 19:12.303 empowering people to own their narrative because, 19:14.430 --> 19:15.840 and breaking those barriers 19:15.840 --> 19:19.170 of how those narratives are perceived. 19:19.170 --> 19:21.930 We won't be able to control people's reaction. 19:21.930 --> 19:24.473 We won't be able to control our own, unfortunately. 19:25.620 --> 19:29.070 But I think a lot of us don't share that openly. 19:29.070 --> 19:31.890 We don't share whatever invisible disability we have, 19:31.890 --> 19:33.750 because we're afraid. 19:33.750 --> 19:36.960 We're afraid of being seen and what that could mean. 19:36.960 --> 19:41.460 I think we're afraid of the repercussions 19:41.460 --> 19:43.773 on our work or on our worth. 19:44.640 --> 19:47.882 And we all seem to forget that we were born worthy. 19:47.882 --> 19:50.880 That we are so worthy of, 19:50.880 --> 19:54.030 we have the birthright to anything, 19:54.030 --> 19:57.480 to everything as long as we're not hiring another person. 19:57.480 --> 20:01.810 And I think these labels have come with a price. 20:04.560 --> 20:07.620 And I often question 20:07.620 --> 20:10.263 if the rule of identity is to label everything, 20:11.220 --> 20:12.633 and how far do you label? 20:13.828 --> 20:15.723 Who has the right to label? 20:16.590 --> 20:18.870 Well, and that's a scary conversation 20:18.870 --> 20:23.700 that we have in dealing with talking about IDs, 20:23.700 --> 20:26.100 especially at the legislative level or something like that. 20:26.100 --> 20:27.420 I mean, frankly, 20:27.420 --> 20:30.030 and I ask these questions specifically of you, 20:30.030 --> 20:33.780 because I think there's a generational difference. 20:33.780 --> 20:35.400 Like, I wanna know your opinion. 20:35.400 --> 20:36.233 You wanna know why? 20:36.233 --> 20:37.140 Because I think differently. 20:37.140 --> 20:38.413 I grew up in a different time. 20:38.413 --> 20:40.110 It's the same thing. 20:40.110 --> 20:44.790 I remember my grandfather was in World War II 20:44.790 --> 20:47.190 as a merchant marine, and he never talked about it. 20:47.190 --> 20:49.050 Nobody ever heard any stories. 20:49.050 --> 20:52.260 And yet when he and I would hang out for some reason, 20:52.260 --> 20:53.880 I could you get him to tell me the stories? 20:53.880 --> 20:54.713 Yeah, yeah. 20:54.713 --> 20:55.653 I was the guy. 20:55.653 --> 20:56.486 That was the same with me. 20:56.486 --> 20:58.145 She tells me the stories, I love it. 20:58.145 --> 20:59.190 I'm so privileged. 20:59.190 --> 21:04.080 And it's probably why both of us have recognized 21:04.080 --> 21:07.260 the value of stories 21:07.260 --> 21:11.520 and how that generational passing on can change. 21:11.520 --> 21:13.860 I mean, I look back to, 21:13.860 --> 21:15.960 I'll call it biblical history, 21:15.960 --> 21:17.640 just because I don't know a different word for it, 21:17.640 --> 21:22.260 but the Jewish oral tradition of passing down those stories 21:22.260 --> 21:27.260 and even they said the Israelites used to pile rocks 21:27.384 --> 21:31.260 as a remembrance of the stories that happened 21:31.260 --> 21:33.330 of how God was faithful to their, 21:33.330 --> 21:35.070 to whatever happened, whatever the story was. 21:35.070 --> 21:38.280 But the point is to say those stories are important. 21:38.280 --> 21:41.733 And right now, I mean, 21:42.750 --> 21:46.980 representing the gap in the generations I really want, 21:46.980 --> 21:50.100 I mean, one I appreciate, thank you for joining me today. 21:50.100 --> 21:51.840 This is so awesome and fun. 21:51.840 --> 21:53.703 But I love to hear you, 21:55.470 --> 21:58.020 your opinion and your viewpoint, 21:58.020 --> 22:00.240 because again, sometimes, 22:00.240 --> 22:02.400 gosh, I didn't even know that was a thing, right? 22:02.400 --> 22:03.630 Yeah. 22:03.630 --> 22:05.623 I mean, I need to learn it and so- 22:06.832 --> 22:09.213 And I think that exactly that you just said, 22:10.174 --> 22:13.410 you just had the willingness to open, 22:13.410 --> 22:15.150 to learn, to listen. 22:15.150 --> 22:19.152 I think that's what we're missing in society at large. 22:19.152 --> 22:21.000 Well, and many of us aren't. 22:21.000 --> 22:24.960 I mean, I think you and I have probably a unique gift, 22:24.960 --> 22:29.960 we're so driven by stories and understand, 22:30.870 --> 22:35.870 I mean, some of my career was actually translating things 22:35.970 --> 22:40.290 that were very complicated into an educational 22:40.290 --> 22:42.480 or informational video. 22:42.480 --> 22:45.180 So, regular people could understand it. 22:45.180 --> 22:48.540 I mean, your financial things are a great example 22:48.540 --> 22:51.510 of why is there so- 22:51.510 --> 22:52.966 They're so boring? 22:52.966 --> 22:56.310 Well, boring is one, right? 22:56.310 --> 22:58.710 And so making it fun and humorous and all that stuff, 22:58.710 --> 23:01.660 but to make a point really can change the game here. 23:01.660 --> 23:05.280 But yeah, no, I think that that willingness 23:05.280 --> 23:07.020 to walk into a room 23:07.020 --> 23:09.150 and have the conversation, 23:09.150 --> 23:10.800 did you ever see the, 23:10.800 --> 23:11.820 I love the Heineken, 23:11.820 --> 23:14.040 Heineken did the "World's Apart Video." 23:14.040 --> 23:15.090 Did you ever see that? 23:15.090 --> 23:16.140 No. 23:16.140 --> 23:16.973 Oh my gosh, you have to. 23:16.973 --> 23:20.460 You have to share when you share the interview, the link. 23:20.460 --> 23:24.540 Yes, I will share with you and send you this link, 23:24.540 --> 23:27.390 but it's actually phenomenal and so well done. 23:27.390 --> 23:31.470 Because what they do is they do these interviews with people 23:31.470 --> 23:34.170 and the people talk about their biases 23:34.170 --> 23:36.540 and what they believe in and what they don't believe in. 23:36.540 --> 23:39.660 And then they purposely put the two people into a room 23:39.660 --> 23:42.690 and have them solve a problem, right? 23:42.690 --> 23:43.620 That's cool. 23:43.620 --> 23:45.753 And at the end, 23:46.890 --> 23:50.310 they show the videos of the people, 23:50.310 --> 23:54.090 talking about all of their biased thought process, 23:54.090 --> 23:56.100 their judgements against people. 23:56.100 --> 23:58.320 And it happens to be that they picked a person 23:58.320 --> 24:01.623 that has that exact thing that they're talking against. 24:02.670 --> 24:04.500 And then they offer them a beer to say, 24:04.500 --> 24:06.690 would you like to stay and keep talking, 24:06.690 --> 24:08.040 or would you like to leave? 24:10.440 --> 24:11.640 Oh my gosh. 24:11.640 --> 24:15.180 And it is just, one, and it's funny 'cause there's one guy, 24:15.180 --> 24:17.580 I mean, the English have such a great sense of humor. 24:17.580 --> 24:19.200 He gets up and pretends to walk away, 24:19.200 --> 24:20.033 and then he comes back, 24:20.033 --> 24:21.129 "Oh, just kidding." 24:21.129 --> 24:24.090 But for a moment, there's this, 24:24.090 --> 24:25.837 your heart drops as in, 24:25.837 --> 24:28.542 "Oh my gosh, please don't leave the conversation." 24:28.542 --> 24:29.820 We need this. 24:29.820 --> 24:31.290 We'll never understand it without it, 24:31.290 --> 24:32.280 you know what I'm saying? 24:32.280 --> 24:36.450 So, let me go back to identity a little bit, 24:36.450 --> 24:40.080 because I hear you on the digital side of this 24:40.080 --> 24:40.980 and how do we create it? 24:40.980 --> 24:44.160 I agree completely of I don't wanna wear a tag, right? 24:44.160 --> 24:44.993 I don't wanna be, 24:44.993 --> 24:46.290 I mean, I don't wanna be labeled 24:46.290 --> 24:50.040 and frankly, there's a high percentage of people 24:50.040 --> 24:51.581 in the disability space that, 24:51.581 --> 24:55.680 are nervous about that straight up, 24:55.680 --> 25:00.680 because of what Hitler did to the Jews and to the disabled. 25:03.330 --> 25:04.380 if you'll remember, 25:04.380 --> 25:06.780 the disabled in World War II 25:06.780 --> 25:09.450 were the ones that he pulled out first 25:09.450 --> 25:11.700 to do all of the scientific testing on. 25:11.700 --> 25:14.643 And so there's a huge- 25:17.010 --> 25:17.843 Fear. 25:17.843 --> 25:21.540 Fear factor of why would I ever identify 25:21.540 --> 25:23.280 to put myself in that position? 25:23.280 --> 25:26.430 And so that's a big thing of how do we overcome that? 25:26.430 --> 25:29.610 How do we get to a place 25:29.610 --> 25:34.170 that we can put ourselves aside enough to care, 25:34.170 --> 25:38.883 about humanity in such a way that we can make a difference? 25:41.070 --> 25:46.070 I heavy hearted answer that I don't know how we do that. 25:47.640 --> 25:50.133 I have a few ideas. 25:51.840 --> 25:53.730 I think obviously cryptography 25:53.730 --> 25:55.800 has advanced so much in the sense 25:55.800 --> 25:59.310 that you should be able to have control over 25:59.310 --> 26:01.290 who you choose to trust 26:01.290 --> 26:03.810 with that information and how that inform- 26:03.810 --> 26:04.830 Bianca, 26:04.830 --> 26:07.110 Bianca define cryptography 26:07.110 --> 26:08.370 because I know that- 26:08.370 --> 26:09.445 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 26:09.445 --> 26:11.850 So, cryptography it's like a secret thing. 26:11.850 --> 26:15.270 So, it's like hiding a message 26:15.270 --> 26:19.170 in something that only the receiver has the special code 26:19.170 --> 26:20.430 to unlock. 26:20.430 --> 26:23.340 So, it's like, if I were to digitize the card 26:23.340 --> 26:24.787 and take the card and say, 26:24.787 --> 26:27.817 "My invisible identity is this thing, 26:27.817 --> 26:32.347 "this little secret message that only the institutions, 26:32.347 --> 26:34.080 "the professionals with," 26:34.080 --> 26:37.110 like if you think about identity in a broader scape, 26:37.110 --> 26:40.110 you'll get to a place in which only doctors, 26:40.110 --> 26:41.820 will have a certain type of credential. 26:41.820 --> 26:42.720 They already do, right? 26:42.720 --> 26:45.960 They have have a doctor sort of license to practice. 26:45.960 --> 26:47.400 If this is in a digital world, 26:47.400 --> 26:48.870 maybe that's the only person 26:48.870 --> 26:51.483 who the key unlocks your information. 26:52.410 --> 26:57.410 Because then this allows us to protect where warranted 26:58.890 --> 27:01.620 or where trust is yet to be earned. 27:01.620 --> 27:05.940 Which is I think a lot of the problem with the peer labeling 27:05.940 --> 27:07.710 when it's in the open space, 27:07.710 --> 27:12.330 because then you're vulnerable to horrible things. 27:12.330 --> 27:15.960 Like what could be horrible and leaking. 27:15.960 --> 27:18.510 And the United States particularly horrible, 27:18.510 --> 27:20.490 because of like, you have only six countries 27:20.490 --> 27:21.584 that have privacy laws. 27:21.584 --> 27:24.960 You don't have a national identity scheme. 27:24.960 --> 27:28.410 You now you have the real ID compliant documentation, 27:28.410 --> 27:31.410 but you don't have data ownership, right? 27:31.410 --> 27:32.970 Legislation that is advanced enough. 27:32.970 --> 27:37.200 So, there's a lot of sort of foundational pieces 27:37.200 --> 27:41.100 that the legislator needs to address and attend to. 27:41.100 --> 27:44.190 But you need to sit on the table to say, 27:44.190 --> 27:46.350 this is a use case, right? 27:46.350 --> 27:49.050 Just like in New Zealand, 27:49.050 --> 27:50.970 their native population is a use case. 27:50.970 --> 27:53.700 They identify themselves with their ancestors 27:53.700 --> 27:54.990 in multiple families. 27:54.990 --> 27:59.310 Okay, how does technology take this human thing 27:59.310 --> 28:02.250 that has existed way before technology was around 28:02.250 --> 28:06.120 and put it into this digital or digitized system 28:06.120 --> 28:10.290 in which human, us are going to live in and work with? 28:10.290 --> 28:13.890 And I think that's where the gap really is. 28:13.890 --> 28:16.050 It's on people understanding that these things need 28:16.050 --> 28:20.040 to be thought about it from a very inclusive perspective 28:20.040 --> 28:21.240 and not inclusive because it's, 28:21.240 --> 28:23.610 let's do a kumbaya, hold hands 28:23.610 --> 28:27.900 and post a photo of the colors of Benetton like commercial. 28:27.900 --> 28:29.642 So, you show every color, 28:29.642 --> 28:31.650 we have every color in every race. 28:31.650 --> 28:33.360 Look, we even have a person with a turban. 28:33.360 --> 28:34.680 Like that's what I've heard people say 28:34.680 --> 28:36.660 when they say diversity. 28:36.660 --> 28:37.920 And I'm just like, 28:37.920 --> 28:39.933 it's so much more than that. 28:41.190 --> 28:46.190 An identity infrastructure has to be sophisticated enough. 28:47.610 --> 28:48.660 And I think it is, 28:48.660 --> 28:50.940 but it has to be thought through 28:50.940 --> 28:52.920 from a multiple layer perspective. 28:52.920 --> 28:56.310 AKA, you are Jess, 28:56.310 --> 28:58.440 you're also an Emmy Award winner. 28:58.440 --> 29:00.390 You are this show host. 29:00.390 --> 29:03.810 You are a friend, you are a business owner, 29:03.810 --> 29:04.710 you own a car, 29:04.710 --> 29:06.540 you might have invisible disabilities. 29:06.540 --> 29:10.680 There's lots of things that are identifiables for you 29:10.680 --> 29:12.660 that not necessarily all need to be open 29:12.660 --> 29:14.460 to the entire public 29:14.460 --> 29:16.830 and not all necessarily need to be closed either. 29:16.830 --> 29:19.020 So, we need a system in which, 29:19.020 --> 29:22.263 in a digital world, this is possible. 29:23.160 --> 29:24.450 Especially now more than ever. 29:24.450 --> 29:27.390 Like if people weren't sick, 29:27.390 --> 29:29.340 society was already sick in so many levels, 29:29.340 --> 29:30.513 before the pandemic, 29:31.440 --> 29:34.357 the employers that sit around thinking that, 29:34.357 --> 29:37.830 "Oh yeah, we do coffees on Zoom now." 29:37.830 --> 29:41.107 I'm like, "Okay, that's great. 29:41.107 --> 29:43.927 "What else do you do to take care of your people? 29:43.927 --> 29:46.177 "Because there might be a glooming issue 29:46.177 --> 29:49.927 "of a lot of disabilities that we've been too busy to pause 29:49.927 --> 29:51.717 "to realize we even had ourselves." 29:53.010 --> 29:55.800 And how does society come out of that? 29:55.800 --> 29:57.750 By owning that narrative and saying, 29:57.750 --> 30:00.960 I own this and this is who I need to, 30:00.960 --> 30:03.090 from a society or perspective share that with, 30:03.090 --> 30:05.130 because I might be able to help. 30:05.130 --> 30:08.250 Like there's a lot of really cool data around, 30:08.250 --> 30:09.083 as an example, 30:09.083 --> 30:11.280 societies that have historically identified 30:11.280 --> 30:16.200 their populations correctly have actually been able to say, 30:16.200 --> 30:17.940 because maybe as an example, 30:17.940 --> 30:21.240 COVID attacks the Latino population a lot more, 30:21.240 --> 30:24.690 while they've been exposed to brutal kind of work. 30:24.690 --> 30:25.523 They're on the front. 30:25.523 --> 30:27.210 Like there's reasons, 30:27.210 --> 30:29.310 it's not because they don't follow the rules 30:29.310 --> 30:32.040 or they hug each other and live over there. 30:32.040 --> 30:33.330 And like there's lots of reasons, 30:33.330 --> 30:34.740 but that's what data tells you. 30:34.740 --> 30:36.840 It tells you the stories of these people. 30:36.840 --> 30:40.710 But if it's not stored properly in this new world, 30:40.710 --> 30:44.133 if we're not storing the nuances of who you are, 30:45.510 --> 30:48.180 in a world where it can really make a change, 30:48.180 --> 30:51.690 this information will never benefit 30:51.690 --> 30:54.090 the society at large like it should. 30:54.090 --> 30:57.960 And it's kind of a weird dichotomy in terms of like, 30:57.960 --> 30:59.730 we share so much online. 30:59.730 --> 31:01.200 We post everything online. 31:01.200 --> 31:03.300 We create data all the time. 31:03.300 --> 31:05.430 We're trusting it on the hands of some technology firms 31:05.430 --> 31:08.340 that have very little to no regulation. 31:08.340 --> 31:09.900 And then the really important stuff 31:09.900 --> 31:12.360 that we should have a way of identifying like, 31:12.360 --> 31:14.730 you've made a card because there's a gap, 31:14.730 --> 31:17.550 there's a gap in the market on identifying people 31:17.550 --> 31:20.640 and giving them what's maybe rightfully theirs 31:20.640 --> 31:23.010 in the sense of we should accommodate, 31:23.010 --> 31:23.843 we should care, 31:23.843 --> 31:26.070 because you are a contributing member of society 31:26.070 --> 31:29.490 and this one thing that makes you, 31:29.490 --> 31:31.053 doesn't make you less. 31:32.730 --> 31:35.670 And how does a digital system intake that? 31:35.670 --> 31:37.290 That's a really big problem. 31:37.290 --> 31:39.000 And that's why I'm passionate about identity. 31:39.000 --> 31:40.444 When people ask me why, 31:40.444 --> 31:42.870 it started in biometrics. 31:42.870 --> 31:47.343 It started as a tool to capture who somebody really is. 31:48.300 --> 31:50.910 And it ended as, wait a minute, 31:50.910 --> 31:54.820 this is something we've anciently doing 31:56.190 --> 31:57.780 and now we need to rethink it, 31:57.780 --> 31:59.910 because clearly we've done it really wrong. 31:59.910 --> 32:01.350 Because look at where we are now. 32:01.350 --> 32:03.250 Like I was having a conversation Jess, 32:04.164 --> 32:09.164 25 billion pounds were lost in the UK 32:09.330 --> 32:12.513 from poorly identifying people just during COVID alone. 32:14.070 --> 32:15.900 So, this means money 32:15.900 --> 32:18.660 that should have gone to people and businesses 32:18.660 --> 32:21.870 was lost because other people 32:21.870 --> 32:23.643 and criminals could identify, 32:25.050 --> 32:28.860 that's a societal damage that's pretty big. 32:28.860 --> 32:31.083 So, it's not a matter of this is matter, 32:32.010 --> 32:34.110 it's a matter of what are we gonna do about it? 32:34.110 --> 32:35.190 Yeah. 32:35.190 --> 32:37.950 Like this is the life of people 32:37.950 --> 32:40.230 that we're throwing out the window. 32:40.230 --> 32:41.100 Wow. 32:41.100 --> 32:42.570 Well, and so on our next show, 32:42.570 --> 32:45.134 Bianca will come back and have all of the answers for this. 32:45.134 --> 32:46.680 I know I don't have all the answers. 32:46.680 --> 32:47.760 I'm super passionate about it. 32:47.760 --> 32:49.003 You open the Panera box of like, 32:49.003 --> 32:51.300 not Panera box because it's like lovely 32:51.300 --> 32:52.300 what comes out of it, 32:52.300 --> 32:54.330 but the passion box. 32:54.330 --> 32:55.920 No, and I think that's important. 32:55.920 --> 33:00.180 I mean, we're asking valid questions 33:00.180 --> 33:01.680 that do move us forward, 33:01.680 --> 33:03.990 but it's not easy stuff. 33:03.990 --> 33:04.823 Nope. 33:04.823 --> 33:05.656 Is what it boils down to. 33:05.656 --> 33:06.780 And I really do, 33:06.780 --> 33:08.610 but life isn't easy and that's okay. 33:08.610 --> 33:09.450 Yeah, right. 33:09.450 --> 33:12.300 Say say that again out loud please. 33:12.300 --> 33:14.576 Life isn't easy and that's okay. 33:14.576 --> 33:15.409 Okay. 33:15.409 --> 33:16.650 I have three daughters in college. 33:16.650 --> 33:18.990 I need them to hear that and embrace that. 33:18.990 --> 33:21.810 It's not, and and like it, they need to push through it. 33:21.810 --> 33:25.500 Like you have to. 33:25.500 --> 33:26.400 Yeah. 33:26.400 --> 33:27.960 Well, and it's part of everything 33:27.960 --> 33:29.190 that I think we're kind of doing. 33:29.190 --> 33:32.990 So, any last kind of words of wisdom? 33:32.990 --> 33:35.310 I dunno, is there something you wanna ask me 33:35.310 --> 33:38.015 that I haven't answered on my ramblings? 33:38.015 --> 33:39.177 I think your ramblings. 33:39.177 --> 33:41.976 It happens when I'm not scripted and there's no questions. 33:41.976 --> 33:43.093 That's right, exactly. 33:43.093 --> 33:46.826 And that's the fun part for me is to just let it go. 33:46.826 --> 33:51.270 I think there's probably a part two to this, 33:51.270 --> 33:54.090 and so I'm gonna let all the questions. 33:54.090 --> 33:56.550 I'm gonna let all the questions sit out there on purpose, 33:56.550 --> 34:00.936 because I think we need to start driving a conversation. 34:00.936 --> 34:03.870 You said it straight up as we need to be at the table 34:03.870 --> 34:07.290 and we are at the table in some places, 34:07.290 --> 34:10.410 but it's a difficult spot to be and to get to, 34:10.410 --> 34:12.480 because there is, I mean, 34:12.480 --> 34:14.460 especially at the legislative level, 34:14.460 --> 34:19.133 there's so much red tape and stuff that, ah. 34:19.133 --> 34:21.216 I love that math, ah. 34:21.216 --> 34:22.049 Ah. 34:23.100 --> 34:25.770 It's probably how they feel as well, by the way. 34:25.770 --> 34:26.700 I would agree. 34:26.700 --> 34:28.350 And so again, how do we change that? 34:28.350 --> 34:29.340 What does that look like? 34:29.340 --> 34:32.100 And the answer right now is we don't exactly know, 34:32.100 --> 34:33.330 but we have to keep trying. 34:33.330 --> 34:34.200 We can't give up. 34:34.200 --> 34:37.170 And so I think you have, yeah. 34:37.170 --> 34:39.570 So one, thank you for your expertise, 34:39.570 --> 34:42.060 your sharing your wisdom 34:42.060 --> 34:45.330 and continuing to press into all of these things 34:45.330 --> 34:46.902 and to challenge US, 34:46.902 --> 34:50.710 with your regular communication 34:51.630 --> 34:53.790 of how you're feeling about some of this stuff. 34:53.790 --> 34:56.280 Because again, I think you represent a voice 34:56.280 --> 34:59.820 that's important for us to hear and recognize, 34:59.820 --> 35:03.870 hey, we need to pay attention and we all wanna get there, 35:03.870 --> 35:07.080 but if we're not trying, it's not gonna do happen, right? 35:07.080 --> 35:10.500 So, in answer to your question, 35:10.500 --> 35:12.120 I don't think I have any other questions. 35:12.120 --> 35:13.233 Except again, 35:15.030 --> 35:20.030 you can do your kind of passionate two minute close 35:20.670 --> 35:24.090 on whatever you feel you wanna leave people with 35:24.090 --> 35:25.410 from this conversation. 35:25.410 --> 35:28.320 Oh my God, what do I wanna leave people with? 35:28.320 --> 35:29.550 I don't wanna leave people, 35:29.550 --> 35:30.660 I wanna meet them. 35:30.660 --> 35:31.493 I know, right? 35:31.493 --> 35:33.450 I wanna start a conversation. 35:33.450 --> 35:34.500 Well, you know what? 35:34.500 --> 35:36.450 That's conversation itself is, you're right, 35:36.450 --> 35:38.218 we do to start the conversation. 35:38.218 --> 35:39.051 Yeah, I want people to ask me, 35:39.051 --> 35:40.482 what do they wanna talk about? 35:40.482 --> 35:42.900 Like, leave your comments. 35:42.900 --> 35:44.670 My rant to you is leave your comments, 35:44.670 --> 35:46.530 tell us, and it's not leave your comments, 35:46.530 --> 35:47.400 because some algorithm 35:47.400 --> 35:49.260 is gonna make me feel better about myself, 35:49.260 --> 35:50.400 is that leave your comments, 35:50.400 --> 35:53.520 so we spend our energy and time, 35:53.520 --> 35:56.190 doing something that's valuable to you. 35:56.190 --> 35:59.220 I think that's the passion is here and you can see it, 35:59.220 --> 36:01.950 you can feel it, you can hear it 36:01.950 --> 36:04.650 and like live awake as you're going through life. 36:04.650 --> 36:06.030 And like, that's what I wanna do. 36:06.030 --> 36:10.410 I wanna light people up and light myself up in the process. 36:10.410 --> 36:12.983 I think that's the most exciting part. 36:12.983 --> 36:15.840 This is the Bianca that I love to listen to 36:15.840 --> 36:17.370 in these little blurbs. 36:17.370 --> 36:18.870 I am gonna ask the question, 36:18.870 --> 36:20.720 how can people get in touch with you? 36:21.794 --> 36:23.760 On LinkedIn, how you and I got in touch? 36:23.760 --> 36:25.890 I think that's probably the easiest way 36:25.890 --> 36:27.090 or you can send me an email. 36:27.090 --> 36:29.858 It's bianca@talle.co. 36:29.858 --> 36:30.691 Okay, cool. 36:30.691 --> 36:31.524 So, that's my email. 36:31.524 --> 36:32.880 You can get me directly. 36:32.880 --> 36:33.780 I'll include that. 36:33.780 --> 36:35.220 Not a bolt. 36:35.220 --> 36:36.480 Yeah, for sure. 36:36.480 --> 36:38.748 Well, Bianca, thank you so much for joining us. 36:38.748 --> 36:40.320 Thank you so much Jess. 36:40.320 --> 36:42.720 Thank you for taking this step and involving me in it. 36:42.720 --> 36:43.553 Thank you. 36:44.640 --> 36:45.890 I really appreciate it. 36:46.775 --> 36:49.442 (upbeat music)